No matter what tricks you employ, however you polish a turd it will still be a turd, It’s more exciting because it is, they have more speed built before the start finish and its curved, giving you the illusion of so much more speed, that is what kimi meant when he said its much faster = “I think it was a nicer corner. Get it right and it still feels clunky and awkward. andae23 (@andae23) 20th August 2015, 15:58. See the estimate, review home details, and search for homes nearby. CATA On Twitter with the all lines option (All Travel Modes). This made it an extraordinarily difficult mental challenge, because most of the corners were taken at more than 180 miles per hour (290 km/h) and were not quite flat – every corner was as important as the one before it. Credit to my friend Andy for catching the footage from the stands at the GP. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Talk of uneven ground has conveniently gone straight over the President of the AAITCF1C’s head. If not for the FIA he would two wins there. Patrick (@paeschli) 20th August 2015, 21:56, GT Racer (@gt-racer) 20th August 2015, 16:28. But certain corners require a slow in fast out approach, and while other drivers (even those who have similar styles to him) recognise this and adapt for these corners he never seems to do so. My first drive will totally be Spa :-). The start/finish line, which was originally on the downhill straight before Eau Rouge, was moved to the straight before the La Source hairpin in 1981. Hubert, who was following Boschung closely and had no view of what had happened to Alesi, moved right to avoid Boschung's slowing car, clipping Boschung's right rear wheel with his front wing. https://youtu.be/ZIIbxv7P-g4?t=3m50s https://youtu.be/_u-esvf7FNI?t=1m45s https://youtu.be/16h_pFP0KBU?t=1m47s, They sadly ruined the 2nd part of the bus stop for 2002- https://youtu.be/FcKWKW_QqFQ?t=1m41s, And ruined the whole corner for 2004- https://youtu.be/t1H6RCXB_bw?t=36s, Patrick (@paeschli) 20th August 2015, 21:52. The Wallonia government stepped in and provided the necessary funds, but too late for the 2006 race to take place. # 10 Bus-Stop chicane (Spa-Francorchamps): Admittedly, it is still a good place to overtake, but the famous Bus-Stop chicane no longer exudes the same flair as it used to be after several renovations. In most cases it actually helps him, because todays cars are so stable you can go tight and the chassis and tyres hold on. The most famous long-distance and sports car races are the Spa 24 Hours and the 1000 km Spa. andae23 (@andae23) 21st August 2015, 7:50. The following right-hander that leads steeply uphill, which was introduced in 1939 to shortcut the original Ancienne Douane hairpin, is called Raidillon [fr]. In 1930, the chicane at Malmedy was eliminated and bypassed, making the course even faster, but the chicane was re-installed in 1935, albeit slightly different. I agree, the new corner has always felt a bit slow and clunky. Near Malmedy, the Masta straight began, which was only interrupted by the Masta Kink between farm houses before arriving at the town of Stavelot. Lewis Hamilton agreed with his fellow Belgian Grand Prix-winner. In 2013 again Mercedes were often the slowest of the Mercedes engined cars in the straights, they seemed to go for Red Bull’s 2010>2013 policy of concentrating fully on corners. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Operation Safe Stop is part of National School Bus Safety Week, which runs October 19-23. With the World Endurance race running in spring and the Formula One race in late summer, hot temperatures during high-profile events are very rare. It is also home to the Uniroyal Fun Cup 25 Hours of Spa, one of the longest motor races in the world. Above the current situation, below the old Bus Stop Chicane in 2005. You’d enter the circuit at La Source and could drive up to Les Combes (amazing how steep the Eau Rouge climb is from inside a car). The drivers demanded changes made to Spa which were not possible on short notice, so the Belgian Grand Prix was dropped that year. I think the version now is great for overtaking as it’s a nice big stop for the cars at the end of the lap, but the second part of it (the left) is just very clunky, inelegant and slow which ruins the flow of the track. At Les Combes you’d actually turn left instead of righ towards Pouhon. 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GT Racer (@gt-racer) 20th August 2015, 16:48. Jacques Villeneuve suffered a spectacular crash at the top of Radillon in qualifying during the 1999 Belgian Grand Prix which he described as "My best-ever crash". “I think I would go back to how the last chicane was,” said Kimi Raikkonen. bus stop chicane spa. Extremely clunky and awkward. The final Bus Stop chicane was reprofiled for 2004 with an additional sweep to the right. @andae23 I’ve always thought the pit entrance should be changed to bypass the chicane, and break off about 200 metres before it to the right. Wasn’t one of the main reasons for switching the bus stop around due to the old pit lane and dangerous closing speeds? @paeschli, I gotta agree there. Easy to outbrake yourself from the very high speeds achieved down the back ‘straight’ (and the epic Blanchimont), especially if you’re in someones draft. @paeschli I’m not sure I agree on this generalization you’ve made. This was a very fast and very dangerous corner, as it was situated right in the middle of two long unbroken straights, both about 1½ miles (2.4 km) long. When Armco crash barriers were added to the track in 1970, deaths became less frequent, but the track was still notorious for other factors. Jackie Stewart's crusade to improve safety in racing was set in motion by his crash there in 1966, when his BRM ended upside-down in a ditch near a farmhouse on the outside of the corner, with fuel gushing out of the tank onto Stewart, who had broken ribs. Its the same at Pouhon, yes have ‘some’ tarmac, but not acres of it! Formula One would not return to Spa until 1983 on the modern track. Spa-Francorchamps/Belgium Type: left-right-left chicane. This name originates in the fact that it was the first corner the "Speaker", the man at the microphone during races, could see the cars after they disappeared into the forest after Raidillon, thus reporting who was in the lead. [22], Modern Grand Prix Circuit with Original Bus Stop Chicane (1981–1993, 1995–2003), Modern Grand Prix Circuit with Modified Bus Stop Chicane (2004-2006), Modern Grand Prix with New Pit Lane and Bus Stop Chicane (2007–present). Due to the introduction of the Television Without Frontiers Directive (1989), tobacco advertising and sponsorship on television were banned within the European Union from 1991. He could win all the races left this year. Masta was lost to F1 racing after the 1970 season. The incident resulted in unofficial discussions about the safety of Raidillon and whether modifications should be made to the run-off area surrounding the turn. Kingshark (@kingshark) 20th August 2015, 20:51. [2] The first car race was held at the circuit in 1922, and 1924 saw the first running of the now famous 24 Hours of Francorchamps race. 1218 Runaway Bay Dr, Lansing, MI 48917 is a 1,600 sqft, 2 bed, 2 bath home. And after a while you’d arrive at the Bus Stop chicane…. Sometimes in F1, and I know this has been the case since its inception, we harp beck to the glory days too often and forget how great today is. [17], With a new financial backer, the renovation started on 6 November 2006 and finished in May 2007, costing around €19 million.[18]. On balance, I shall take off the rose tinted spectacles and say I prefer the current version. image from the fia f3 race a month or so ago. CountryGent (@countrygent) 20th August 2015, 15:46. I’ve only seen it on old computer games but I think it was better than what is there now. The only big one was 2011. I feel in cars that are more mechanical and not so aerodynamically based, and with cars with less sophisticated suspension and chassis’ this style would cost him more than it does in F1, at certain corners on certain race tracks. Spa also hosts several other international events including the 24 Hours of Spa, the World Endurance Championship 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps, and the TCR Spa 500. A further addition was the “bus stop” chicane to slow the cars before the pits. Promoted content from around the web | Become a RaceFans Supporter to hide this ad and others. The corner was slightly modified for the 2002 Belgian Grand Prix. All comments are moderated. Totally agree. And when today’s drivers were asked what part of the track they like least it was brought up again. The new one is just a bit bland… Get it right and it still feels clunky and awkward. The chicane is fine. Despite its name, the circuit is not in Spa but lies in the vicinity of the town of Francorchamps within the boundaries of the municipality of Stavelot, with a part in the boundaries of Malmedy. In 1947, the chicane at Malmedy was again eliminated and bypassed, and was made part of the Masta Straight. At that time, a big part of the current circuit was still run on open roads. Hamilton does this more than any other driver at almost every corner in the world. 2. As a result, the Formula 1 and motorcycle Grands Prix and 1000 km sportscar races saw smaller than usual fields at Spa because most drivers and riders feared the circuit and did not like racing there. Formula 1 returned to Spa for 2007, with a modified track layout. I brought this up last week as part of why I feel the obsession with overtaking & the show has resulted in more harm than good been done in terms of alterations to circuits ruining corners (As is the case with the bus stop). There had been ten car racing fatalities in total at the track in the 1960s, including five in the two years previous. montreal95 (@montreal95) 21st August 2015, 7:21. Several famous racing drivers have crashed while driving through Eau Rouge/Radillon, including Stefan Bellof in a Porsche sportscar, Guy Renard during the 1990 24h of Spa-Francorchamps in a Toyota Corolla GT, and Alex Zanardi in a season-ending crash during a practice session of the 1993 Belgian Grand Prix in a Lotus. Got that wrong and you ended up on someone’s leaving room (the houses were, and still are, located about 5 meters from the road). Chicane. And catalog of error? Spa was dropped from the Formula One calendar in 2006. pSynrg (@psynrg) 20th August 2015, 16:59. The right-left is particularly tight and negotiating it with good timing is essential, not only to end a fast lap in optimal conditions but also to start the next one well. Stewart later compared the old Spa circuit in 1986 as being as "ferocious as a tiger", and he later described Masta in an interview in 2011 as perhaps the hardest corner on any racetrack he raced on in his career; even more so than Eau Rouge. The modifications gave a longer start/finish straight. Trip updates. Here, the new short Grand Prix track of 1979 joins the old layout. Over the years, the Spa course has been modified several times. Properly speaking, the Eau Rouge corner is only the left-hander at the bottom. It is the current venue of the Formula One Belgian Grand Prix, hosting its first Grand Prix in 1925, and has held a Grand Prix every year since 1985 (except 2003 and 2006). I don’t know if it is the cars or the improved cameras but … this is way more exciting than a modern hot-lap. AAITCF1C for short. 2007 – went way off at the left hander down hill (gravel he would of been well out of the race). “But I never drove that circuit,” he said, “I just watched and played it on the computer game.”, “But definitely it was more fun on the computer game so I imagine it would be better in real life.”. antifia (@antifia) 21st August 2015, 9:53. There should be gravel too, to make the drivers think twice, and maybe, just maybe get them to use a little more skill with their driving. It was the large kerb that launched the gp3 driver into the air, not the grass!!!!! Also the pit entrance is a bit awkward, as demonstrated by the Maldonado-Di Resta collision in 2013. the unevenness is a problem with grass runoff & at places like spa where it rains a lot grass tends to become very uneven over time & there has been occasions where grass has launched cars or damaged cars to the point where they lose brakes/steering which results in a crash with other cars into a corner. 2005 and 2006 F1 World Champion Fernando Alonso explained:.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 40px}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;padding-left:1.6em;margin-top:0}. Although temperatures generally often stay above freezing in winter, snowfall is quite common. Guessing his favourites are Canada, Hungary.. Suzuka should be there. No, I like it because it’s tough, it promotes situations and there’s plenty rest of the track left to enjoy for what it always was, the best race track in F1. The Masta Kink "was by far the most difficult corner in the world", according to Jackie Stewart,[5] requiring skill and bravery in equal measure to get it right. Actually, La Source is not too nice either…, GT Racer (@gt-racer) 20th August 2015, 17:57, They have also added a high strip behind the flatter kurb at Eau Rouge- https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11873395_1632747950301487_2233597854270946378_n.jpg?oh=57f4d32b50c1cb01baaaa19358e2be7f&oe=566FA4BF. http://i60.tinypic.com/1220ntk.jpg. After viewing the above image the AAITCF1C has expressed dismay at the encroachment of tarmac into an area previously occupied by grass. The latter treatment came as the circuit’s infrastructure received a significant upgrade, widening the start/finish line. So pleased to see him back at Ferrari next year. I can remember Raikkonen being a monster over that kerb, heh. A slightly clumsy left-right, right-left double corner, it instantly acquired the nickname of the 'bus stop chicane'. [citation needed]. On a side note, the mid-corner snap oversteer of the C9 does remind me of how it handled back in Gran Turismo 4. Alerts (Real-Time System) with system-wide, all lines, per line, and per stop options (All Travel Modes). When they eventually closed the complete circuit, building a mile of scape area of asphalt and astroturf around every corner, I was happy to see that the old Bus Stop, that anacronistic piece of history was still there….that is, till Tilke transformed it into a non-descript, off-the-mill, pasteurized piece of tarmac. on public roads. If a driver lifted the throttle more than expected, then whole seconds, not tenths, would be lost. And if a fan favorite is not his favorite it’s not his problem. Unicron (@unicron2002) 20th August 2015, 19:27. [citation needed] At the time, the Belgians took pride in having a very fast circuit, and to improve average speeds, in 1939 the former slow uphill U-turn at the bottom of the Eau Rouge creek valley, called the Ancienne Douane (until 1920, there was a German Empire customs office here[3]), was cut short with a faster sweep straight up the hill, called the Raidillon. I’m not a ‘rose-tinted-glasses’ kind of person normally but I have to admit that watching a single car on track just isn’t exciting at the moment. The Royal Meteorological Institute runs weather stations both in Stavelot and in Malmedy, which both show similar oceanic climates with some interior influence. crash wasn’t his fault but almost driving into people at la source and eau rouge was. Then, the track progressed through an uphill straight section with a few bends called La Carriere, going through two high-speed turns (the former being an unnamed right-hand turn, and the latter named Blanchimont) before braking very hard for the La Source hairpin, and that rejoined the downhill start finish section (as opposed to today where the start–finish section is before La Source). Multiple fatalities during the 1973 and 1975 24 Hours of Spa touring car races more or less sealed the old circuit's fate, and by 1978, the last year Spa was in its original form, the only major races held there were the Belgian motorcycle Grand Prix and the Spa 24 Hours touring car race; the 1000 km World Sportscar Championship race no longer took place after 1975 and did not come back until 1982. [11] World Champion Jacques Villeneuve once spoke of the effects of downforce, saying that to get through the corner the drivers have to drive faster, because downforce increases the faster a race car goes. Like Lewis, my experience of the old (well… and new) chicane is only through computer games but the old one had a lot of character and felt great to drive when you got it spot on. I guess not much else has changed really, a little bit the first corner.”. The corner was tighter and narrower before 1970, allowing drivers to take the corner faster. They have also added a high strip behind the flatter kurb at Eau Rouge-, No, they haven’t. in the old days, it was alluded to as the "Bus Stop" as at that time when the track was open to traffic at certain times, there used to be a bus stop there. BMW M3 GT2 race car at the race track "Spa, Belgium - August 1, 2010: BMW Motorsport BMW M3 GT2 driving through the Bus Stop Chicane during the 2010 24 hours of Spa Francorchamps." I know what I’m doing”. The upgrade also include a grandstand at the top of the Eau Rouge/Raidillon hill. The current configuration of Spa-Francorchamps first made its public debut during the 2007 racing season, having featured in previous years with several takes on the traditional lap ending Bus Stop chicane. IMO the cars looked as good as ever in last year’s Spa race. The demise of the old Spa is the reason why I can’t stomach Jack Stweart – even though I consider him one of the greatest drivers ever. Bus Stop Chicane (Spa) Belgium / Luttich / Malmedy / This was an actual bus stop on the public road-portion of the Spa-Franorchamps circuit, which used as a … I can see why the drivers would want the old one back, but I don’t mind the current chicane. report. The most recent change to the Spa-Francorchamps track layout is still struggling to find favour with drivers. This is largely due to the Eau Rouge and Blanchimont corners, both which need to be taken flat out to achieve a fast run onto the straights after them, which aids a driver in both a fast lap and in overtaking. Kimi said all of that at one time? Marcos Mantis at bus stop chicane and start-finish line at Spa Francorchamps Formula 1 circuit. 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